Here I go again with my ranting!  Keith, although I never actually "came out" 
and told you, you probably figured out that I'm doing this myself.  Erin, I 
remember that you've actually heard of this before.  I brought it up to David 
last night and this is what I wrote to him about it today.

-----Original Message-----

From: Darien Large [] 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 5:54 PM
To: David B
Subject: foreskin, circumcision and foreskin restoration

David, here are considerably more than my two cent's worth re: said.

I first heard about foreskin resoration when I was about seventeen, shortly 
after I came out to myself.  I don't know when I first realized that I was 
circumcised, but it was much earlier than that: as a young teen or possibly even 
earlier.  A lot of men our age or a little older seem to have been extremely 
confused about circumcision, thought they were "intact" when in fact they were 
not, that circumcision involves removal of the entire glans, and so on.

There's an awful lot about this locus of issues on the internet.  It's really 
a raging debate, and so far it's heating up more and more every day.  I'll send 
some links to you as well.

I also have a book called "The Joy of Uncircumcising" that includes some 
statistics about the routine circumcision rate in the US.  Here's a chart that 
indicates the circumcision rate in the United States from 1870 to 1990:


100%|                                                                 
    |                                                                 
 90 |                                                          85     
    |                                                     80   *      
 80 |                                                75   *    *      
    |                                           70   *    *    *      
 70 |                                           *    *    *    *      
    |                                      60   *    *    *    *    59
 60 |                                 55   *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |                            50   *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
 50 |                            *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |                            *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
 40 |                       35   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |                       *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
 30 |                  25   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |                  *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
 20 |             15   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |        10   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
 10 |  5.9   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
    |   *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    * 
  0 |_________________________________________________________________
      1870 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990


If you find a chart of births in a hospital as a percentage of all births for 
the same period, I'm sure you'll find a very close correlation.  One of the 
interesting things the author points out about these statistics is that, 
although the circumcision rate now seems to be in decline, the percentage of 
sexually active adult males who are circumcised is still *increasing*, due to 
the approximately twenty-year delay involved from birth to adulthood and sexual 
activity.  More and more upcoming doctors and parents will be circumcised in the 
years to come, as those born between 1960 and 1980 reach adulthood and move into 
positions of responsibility and influence. It will only crest in the 
twenty 
years coming up, starting in about 2000 or so.

The links below that point to cirp.org go into a fair amount of detail about 
the transformation of rationales for circumcision, routine and otherwise.  An 
awful lot of people aren't aware that in the early twentieth century in the 
United States, circumcision was a common treatment for masturbation and other 
"perversions".  I'm sure you can add impotence, sterility, fornication, 
promiscuity, and homosexuality to the list of diseases that circumcision was 
supposed to cure.  Starting (I'm guessing) in the 40's, hygiene gained currency 
as a justification.  During W.W.II an awful lot of men were circumcised after 
enlisting in the armed forces.  Most of the arguments in favor of routine 
circumcision nowadays tries to establish a cause-effect correlation between the 
intact foreskin and urinary tract infection and penile and cervical cancer. 
There's no consensus on the proper interpretation of the statistics that are 
available on these diseases. 

"Phimosis" is a condition in which the intact foreskin becomes stuck in the 
retracted position behind the glans and causes swelling of the foreskin and 
glans of the penis.  The most common treatment is circumcision; but everything 
that I've read points out that since most parents and doctors have so little 
experience with an intact, uncircumcised penis and don't know how to care for 
it, phimosis most commonly results from premature retraction of the foreskin. 
(About 4% of males' foreskins are fully retractable at birth.  Most commonly the 
glans and foreskin are joined by connective tissue; after birth the foreskin 
gradually separates from the glans of its own accord, which can take anywhere 
from seven months to several years.  Premature retraction tears the developing 
tissue and causes bleeding and sometimes scarring and possibly abnormal 
development.)

Some common-sense arguments (some of which the late Dr. Spock initially 
served as an advocate, and later renounced) go, "It's just a flap of skin, and 
serves no purpose.  And since it complicates penile hygiene especially beyond 
the patience of young boys, it's better just to get rid of it."  "You have to 
periodically retract the foreskin and clean it out, and this is bad because it 
encourages boys to play with themselves, which is bad."  "A boy should look like 
his father."  "The foreskin has no proper functional role; it's an evolutionary 
mistake that we can correct."  An overwhelming majority of women in the U.S. 
have never seen an intact penis, and many women say they would not date a man 
unless they were circumcised.  Young mothers commonly defend their decision to 
circumcise their infant boys because a circumcised penis is more "aesthetically 
pleasing."

Finally, some functional aspects of the foreskin which are only now becoming 
understood.  There are four obvious functional aspects of the natural foreskin: 

First, in the foreskin fine touch nerve receptors are more concentrated than 
*anywhere* else in the human body with the exception of the lips.  The glans of 
the penis is relatively impoverished in nerve endings.  An intact male thus gets 
a great deal more stimulation during sex.  

Second, in an intact penis the glans is always covered and protected by the 
foreskin, so it is itself more sensitive to physical stimulation; the outer skin 
layer of the glans is very thin and is basically a mucous membrane (as is the 
inner foreskin itself).  In an uncircumcised male the glans penis is an 
*internal* organ just as the clitoris, covered by the clitoral hood, is in the 
female.  After circumcision the glans becomes "keratinized", which means the 
outer skin become thick and tough and relatively insensitive.  

Third, the foreskin, being a continuous portion of the shaft skin that covers 
the penis, forms a protective sheath during sexual intercourse.  The literature 
refers to this as the "gliding effect": during vaginal intercourse the foreskin 
and some of the shaft skin more or less stays in the vagina during the 
outstroke, and the shaft and glans of the penis thrust in and out always 
enclosed by this sheath of skin.  

(I read a report of a lecture in which the speaker illustrated the gliding 
effect using his long-sleeved dress shirt: unbutton the cuff on you left sleeve.  
Your left arm represents the penis, your hand represents the glans and you 
shirtsleeve represents the foreskin.  Now grab your left sleeve with your right 
hand, which represents the vagina and vaginal walls.  If you "thrust" with your 
left arm in and out of your right hand, you can see the principle involved.  Try 
it without the shirtsleeve and you can see how that extra skin can keep 
everything from getting sore and abraded.)

Only at the apex of the instroke is the glans actually exposed inside the 
vagina. The foreskin sort of acts in place of lubricant-- with this sheath 
to glide in and out of, there's really no need for any more lubrication than 
would be required for the initial thrust of the penis into the vagina. After 
that the foreskin keeps everything moving smoothly.

(In case you think the foreskin couldn't possibly make that much difference 
in the way things work, consider that the average intact adult male, the 
foreskin makes up about 15 square inches of skin, which is the size of a 3x5 
index card.  That's a *lot* of skin to be on a penis, that you and I are both 
missing.  Some men who were very tightly circumcised report painful erections 
because there's not enough skin to cover their fully erect penis; and others 
report a permanent and almost instant increase in penis length after surgical or 
nonsurgical restoration.)

Finally, a growing number of anatomical biologists (or whoever's bailiwick 
this is) believe that--especially during infancy, but also through adulthood--
the foreskin protects the urethra from bacteria and other environmental hazards, 
totally contrary to the pro-circumcision UTI argument.  The foreskin typically 
constricts at some distance outward beyond the tip of the glans to form a 
protective closure, so bacteria don't have ready access to the urinary tract. 
This seems especially sensible from an evolutionary standpoint, and also makes 
it plausible to argue that it serves a more gross protective function-- the 
foreskin takes scrapes and cuts (or worse!) and leaves the glans relatively 
unharmed. 

Since urine is sterile when it leaves the body, it's not even hygienically 
necessary for the intact male to retract the foreskin to urinate, and in fact, 
in cultures in which circumcision is rare, most males do not retract to urinate. 
Many are even taught as boys to pinch the foreskin closed at some point during 
urination, to let the foreskin fill with urine and rinse the glans with sterile 
fluid before releasing it again. 

In reality the intact penis does *not* require any more attention to hygiene 
than that of a circumcised male.  The general recommendation for intact males is 
to *infrequently* retract the foreskin and rinse gently with clear water-- no 
soap, which can irritate the inner foreskin lining and glans penis.  Anything 
much more than this would be comparable in the female to a daily vaginal douche 
with liquid soap.  I'm sure you don't have to ask your female friends to realize 
that this would be a *really bad idea*.

I've even heard some preliminary reports on the functional role of smegma. 
Now I'm naturally repulsed by the thought of smegma, just as virtually everyone 
else is I'm sure, but the thing I read speculated that smegma serves to keep the 
glans and inner foreskin lubricated and soft (the paper I read used the word 
"emollient") and even facilitates intercourse.  Even more, the thing I read 
hinted at certain *antiseptic* or at least antibacterial properties of naturally 
occurring smegma.

Just a few more points.  Consider the fact that about 85% of males in our age 
group underwent a traumatic surgical procedure within days of birth, quite often 
without the benefit of anesthesia.  Think about that!  I don't think anyone has 
any idea of the developmental consequences of an experience like that.  Birth 
itself can be incredibly traumatic for the newborn, and then a couple of days 
afterwards a new assault on your body just when you're beginning to recover and 
you're getting used to the idea of being born.  Historically, every time an 
issue like this comes up for debate the argument is made "Well, they don't 
really feel pain the way we do because they're newborns", or "It can't possibly 
have any long-term effect because they're too young to remember".  Substitute 
the  concept of race or class or gender and you can see that this argument is 
logically groundless, and in reality is an empirical argument that's 
historically turned out to be wrong every time.

This is a difficult concept for me to pin down, for the same reason I think 
that it keeps rearing its head.  Let me illustrate my point with a true story. 
Daniel Dennett relates this story in his book "Brainstorms", which is a 
combination defense of artificial intelligence in principle, and a challenge to 
AI advocates who think that intelligence is something conceptually simple.  This 
is from the chapter "Why You Can't Make a Computer that Feels Pain":

     ...The major problem can be approached by way of a curious and terrible 
     incident from the annals of medicine.  Curare, the poison used by South 
     American Indians on their blow-pipe darts, was purified (as d-tubocurarine) 
     and introduced into medical research in the 1930's, and its action was soon 
     well understood. It is a paralytic that acts directly on all the neuro-
     muscular junctions, the last rank effectors of the nervous system, to 
     produce total paralysis and limpness of all the voluntary muscles. It has no 
     central effect except for a slight enhancement effect on activity in the 
     cortex. In the 1940's, however, some doctors fell under the misapprehension 
     that curare was a general anesthetic, and they administered it as such for 
     major surgery. The patients were, of course, quiet under the knife, and made 
     not the slightest frown, twitch or moan, but when the effects of the curare 
     wore off, complained bitterly of having been completely conscious and in 
     excruciating pain, feeling every scalpel stroke but simply paralyzed and 
     unable to convey their distress. The doctors did not believe them. (The fact 
     that most of the patients were infants and small children may explain this 
     credibility gap.) Eventually a doctor bravely submitted to an elaborate and 
     ingenious test under curare, and his detailed confirmation of the subjects' 
     reports was believed by his colleagues: curare is very definitely not any 
     sort of anesthetic or analgesic.

     [Dennett goes on to hypothesize an "amnestic" administered in conjunction with 
     curare--a drug that "has no effect on experience or memory during 'n' hours 
     after ingestion but thereafter wipes out all memory of those 'n' hours." Would 
     this combination of curare and amnestic suffice as a substitute for general 
     anesthesia? (Would you take it?) Then he drops a bomb--curare is in fact a 
     ubiquitous ingredient in anesthetic mixtures administered for major surgery, 
     because many anesthetics do not completely suppress motor reflexes (that part 
     isn't the bomb); and some drugs that act somewhat like his imaginary amnestic 
     are in reality administered to patients when it's suspected that they weren't 
     sufficiently anesthetized during their surgery--to get the doctors "off the 
     hook", in the words of one anesthesiologist.  But I digress.]

My point here is that in general, if there's any sort of plausible argument 
for caution or restraint in matters like this, the absence of reliable 
information generally indicates that the possible ill effects of a given action 
or procedure should get more weight when compared to the benefits, than they 
would if the issues were more well-understood.  "If it ain't broke, don't fix 
it."

Finally (I promise: the last "finally") with respect to nonsurgical foreskin 
restoration: the principle involved, skin expansion, is extremely well-
understood in the mainstream medical community.  Skin that's subjected to 
constant gentle stretching stimulates the production of *new* skin cells and not 
merely the elongation of existing cells.   It's a fairly common procedure to 
replace smaller amounts of lost skin by installing an inflated balloon 
subcutaneously for a period of time, to subject the skin to enough tension to 
stimulate new growth.  Any fat person who later lost a lot of weight will have 
wrinkles and extra skin; same thing there.  

The literature on the internet about non-surgical foreskin restoration is 
virtually all anecdotal, but it is *vast*.  I've read reports from literally 
hundreds of men who restored their foreskins through some form of stretching or 
other, and it actually works.  Of course, no method of restoration can restore 
the nerve endings that were lost, but most people I've read of who were 
circumcised as adults, and who subsequently restored, report that the restored 
foreskin closely approximates their lost natural foreskin in sensation and 
function.  In cases in which one's circumcision was not very tight and left a 
fair amount of foreskin intact, the results can be extremely dramatic-- the 
keratinized foreskin sheds its rough outer layer and resumes its role as a 
membranous tissue, complete with its newly sensitized nerves.

Since this message has gotten really long, I'm going to send the links I 
mentioned under separate cover.


Your friend,

Darien Large
  "...plus a constant."

And here are some links re:re: said:

-----Original Message-----
From: Darien Large [] 
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 6:00 PM
To: David B
subject: some WWW links about foreskin, circumcision and foreskin
restoration

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First, a great resource to do with general aspects of the male reproductive 
organs (the same place does an equally good job with the female reproductive 
organs); every man should read this stuff:

The University of Toronto Sexual Education Centre: The Adult Male

"The major components of the male reproductive system are visible on the 
outside of the body. Because their genitals are more obvious, easily accessible, 
and easily stimulated, most males discover at an earlier age than females that 
their genitals can be a source of special pleasure. Because males urinate 
through the penis and therefore must handle it to free it from blotting, they 
face fewer social prohibitions against touching their genitals than do females 
(Have you ever watched a baseball game?)."

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Circumcision Information Resource Centre

"What is the Circumcision Information Resource Centre?

The Circumcision Information Resource Centre is a non-profit organisation 
located in Montréal, Québec, Canada which provides information 
about non-religious infant circumcision and related topics, in English and 
French."

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Circumcision Information and Resource Pages

"The Circumcision Information and Resource Pages are an Internet
resource that provides you with information about all aspects of
the genital surgery known as circumcision."


(See especially the articles 
"From Ritual to Science: The Medical Transformation of Circumcision in America" 
and 
"Historical Medical Quotes on Circumcision".)

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33 Photographs of The Intact Adult Male Foreskin

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National Organization of Restoring Men

"The National Organization of Restoring Men is dedicated to providing an arena 
in which circumcised men can share their concerns without fear of being 
ridiculed for a desire to be intact and whole again. A safe place is provided to 
discuss goals and learn about methods and techniques of restoration and to 
discover those methods that will work best for each individual. Further, the aim 
is to help men regain a sense of self-directedness -- physically as well as 
emotionally."

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Your friend,

Darien Large
  "...plus a constant."